Post by Katie on May 6, 2008 10:19:59 GMT -5
(8:26:24 AM) spies5Otto: hi. I can't talk long because I have to study for an exam.
(8:26:29 AM) spies5Otto: but, what's up?
(8:26:33 AM) spies5Katie: hey
(8:26:33 AM) spies5Otto <AUTO-REPLY> : Exams...almost...done
(8:26:40 AM) spies5Katie: I'm looking at the inquisition
(8:26:56 AM) spies5Katie: I have alot of questions to answer
(8:27:03 AM) spies5Otto: haha
(8:27:52 AM) spies5Katie: what do you think about donnie right now
(8:28:12 AM) spies5Otto: well, right now he's my top spy suspect
(8:28:18 AM) spies5Katie: I agree
(8:28:34 AM) spies5Katie: I'm almost certainly voting him
(8:28:40 AM) spies5Otto: I think he has to be a spy in any scenario that seems logical
(8:29:02 AM) spies5Otto: I mean, maybe you Darla Leticia are the final 3 spies, but we're screwed beyond belief in that situation, so I'm not going to even bother worrying about it
(8:29:08 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(8:29:18 AM) spies5Katie: what do you think about xavier being imprisoned over leticia
(8:29:58 AM) spies5Otto: well, I thought it was really surprising.
(8:30:04 AM) spies5Otto: although, now I'm not so sure
(8:30:14 AM) spies5Otto: what's the deal, was X the medic?
(8:30:46 AM) spies5Katie: no, the doc is still in the game
(8:31:29 AM) spies5Katie: darla spilled the beans on him having a role though
(8:31:50 AM) spies5Katie: why did you think he was the doc?
(8:32:45 AM) spies5Otto: based on my conversation with Darla. I didn't think he was the doc until then.
(8:32:53 AM) spies5Katie: when was that
(8:33:14 AM) spies5Otto: I've gotta say, this whole thing is a mess, and I have absolutely no clue wtf is going on.
(8:33:24 AM) spies5Katie: I'm at a loss too right now
(8:33:32 AM) spies5Katie: and trying to figure out what's the best thing to do
(8:33:39 AM) spies5Katie: should I reveal what Xavier was
(8:33:43 AM) spies5Katie: should I keep it secret
(8:33:48 AM) spies5Otto: Darla confronted me the other day, asked me about the medic. I told her that I hooked you up with the medic via xavier, she told me I was lying to her.
(8:34:01 AM) spies5Katie: no that's true
(8:34:06 AM) spies5Katie: we have chatlogs
(8:34:20 AM) spies5Otto: then last night, she said something about her figuring out xavier was the medic
(8:34:38 AM) spies5Katie: yeah I read that
(8:34:41 AM) spies5Katie: curious what the clue was
(8:34:50 AM) spies5Katie: er
(8:34:52 AM) spies5Katie: for the role
(8:35:01 AM) spies5Otto: ?
(8:35:02 AM) spies5Katie: did darla tell you he was the medic?
(8:35:06 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(8:35:11 AM) spies5Katie: sigh
(8:35:27 AM) spies5Otto: well, she accused me of knowing he was the medic.
(8:35:40 AM) spies5Katie: xavier couldn't protect himself, even with my role. Sam made that clear when we first hooked up
(8:36:00 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, I figured that was true, even when you posted it about Apollo.
(8:36:26 AM) spies5Katie: otto, did you ever speculate with anyone about xavier being the medic
(8:36:33 AM) spies5Otto: no
(8:36:40 AM) spies5Katie: ok
(8:36:54 AM) spies5Otto: I figured there was no way he could be the medic, based on the chats he showed me.
(8:37:00 AM) spies5Katie: we faked em
(8:37:04 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, those were nice.
(8:37:07 AM) spies5Katie: thank ya
(8:37:08 AM) spies5Otto: :-)
(8:37:15 AM) spies5Katie: I can give you entire chatlogs where me and him talked
(8:37:18 AM) spies5Katie: to prove he was the medic
(8:37:32 AM) spies5Katie: and the whole faking of apollo thing
(8:38:24 AM) spies5Otto: alright, cool. The reason I asked you for those is because I was getting suspicious. Everyone who I thought could possibly be the medic was dead. I asked Xavier for a chat where you two were discussing faking it, and he said he'd have to edit it and it might take him a day or more.
(8:38:41 AM) spies5Otto: which made me even more suspicious :-)
(8:39:09 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(8:39:17 AM) spies5Otto: it makes some sense now
(8:39:29 AM) spies5Katie: the chat where we discussed faking it also had other stuff in it
(8:39:37 AM) spies5Katie: because we talked about what to include about his role
(8:39:54 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, it all clicked for me after Darla confronted me about it.
(8:40:36 AM) spies5Katie: the spies knew who he was before I ever even talked to you
(8:40:44 AM) spies5Katie: maggie being imprisoned proved that
(8:41:00 AM) spies5Katie: xavier being imprisoned over leticia shows that the spies knew who he was
(8:41:09 AM) spies5Katie: they knew before I talked to anyone
(8:41:35 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, they knew. They weren't imprisoning who they should have been. They were imprisoning people who wouldn't be doc protected. Who would have known?
(8:41:59 AM) spies5Katie: only way they could've known is if they didn't believe apollo was the doc
(8:42:02 AM) spies5Katie: and then guessed it
(8:42:07 AM) spies5Otto: did Xavier ever claim to anyone else like he did to me?
(8:42:08 AM) spies5Katie: or maybe xavier fucked up
(8:42:15 AM) spies5Katie: he told me he didn't
(8:42:19 AM) spies5Katie: he might've though
(8:43:02 AM) spies5Otto: I don't think Angus knew.
(8:43:11 AM) spies5Katie: angus also played dumb about my role too
(8:44:08 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(8:44:14 AM) spies5Katie: I don't know anymore
(8:44:22 AM) spies5Katie: I can't decide if I shoudl tell the burg or not
(8:44:22 AM) spies5Otto: he's protected himself twice in a row now though
(8:44:26 AM) spies5Katie: or pretend the doc is still alive
(8:44:49 AM) spies5Otto: I think you should pretend. Our best bet is for the spies to continue to doc hunt.
(8:45:02 AM) spies5Katie: if leticia or me goes next
(8:45:04 AM) spies5Katie: then they know
(8:45:05 AM) spies5Otto: yep
(8:45:14 AM) spies5Otto: maybe they'll hit finn.
(8:45:17 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(8:45:24 AM) spies5Katie: you know what I think about that
(8:45:34 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, maybe they CAN'T hit finn :-)
(8:45:48 AM) spies5Otto: Angus protected himself twice now
(8:45:54 AM) spies5Otto: he can't be a spy if that's true.
(8:48:10 AM) spies5Katie: let me ask you this
(8:48:14 AM) spies5Katie: "role upgrade"
(8:48:49 AM) spies5Otto: yeah. The problem is that if he can protect himself from exile indefinitely.
(8:49:07 AM) spies5Katie: are you sure?
(8:49:12 AM) spies5Otto: If he can immune himself every single exile for the rest of the game, he can't be a spy
(8:49:15 AM) spies5Otto: no, I dont know.
(8:49:25 AM) spies5Katie: if he can exile immune himself for the rest of the game
(8:49:27 AM) spies5Katie: this is a moot point
(8:49:33 AM) spies5Otto: true
(8:49:41 AM) spies5Katie: so there's no reason to even think he's a spy
(8:49:48 AM) spies5Otto: I think Angus should do that if he can.
(8:49:49 AM) spies5Katie: and the spies will get rid of him when they want
(8:49:54 AM) spies5Katie: I don't think he can
(8:50:19 AM) spies5Katie: 20 bucks says he can't immune himself next exile, and he will do it "because he wants to make sure a cit doesn't get exiled"
(8:50:21 AM) spies5Katie: 20 bucks
(8:50:33 AM) spies5Otto: haha
(8:50:38 AM) spies5Katie: just keep it between me and you though
(8:50:50 AM) spies5Katie: no reason to make him think we don't think he's a cit
(8:50:57 AM) spies5Katie: especially if he is a spy
(8:51:07 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, lull him into overconfidence :-)
(8:51:11 AM) spies5Katie:
(8:51:28 AM) spies5Otto: although, I think he probably is a cit at this point. Not guaranteed or anything.
(8:51:29 AM) spies5Katie: fucking guarantee he can't exile immune himself next episode
(8:51:37 AM) spies5Katie:
(8:52:07 AM) spies5Otto: I swear I remember him saying he couldn't choose himself, but this was early on in the game.
(8:52:07 AM) spies5Katie: thing is
(8:52:13 AM) spies5Otto: I can't find anything though
(8:52:14 AM) spies5Katie: why wouldn't he exile immune himself during the shootout
(8:52:16 AM) spies5Katie: or before that
(8:52:25 AM) spies5Katie: there were two exiles where his name came up alot
(8:52:35 AM) spies5Katie: or hell even episode 8
(8:52:38 AM) spies5Katie: remember that?
(8:52:42 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(8:52:44 AM) spies5Katie: everyone was waiting on the carly flip
(8:52:48 AM) spies5Katie: to get angus
(8:52:52 AM) spies5Katie: he knew it was coming
(8:53:15 AM) spies5Katie: why didn't he exile immune himself there
(8:53:21 AM) spies5Otto: who did he choose?
(8:53:24 AM) spies5Otto: Cookie
(8:53:26 AM) spies5Katie: cookie
(8:53:27 AM) spies5Otto: that's right
(8:53:41 AM) spies5Katie: we got beatrix instead
(8:53:53 AM) spies5Katie: and then I got him exile immune, and he chose me
(8:53:59 AM) spies5Katie: then he exile immuned himself twice now
(8:54:04 AM) spies5Katie: first of all
(8:54:08 AM) spies5Katie: the doc couldn't protect himself
(8:54:09 AM) spies5Katie: at all
(8:54:12 AM) spies5Katie: even with me
(8:54:16 AM) spies5Katie: why is angus allowed to
(8:54:25 AM) spies5Otto: yeah.
(8:54:37 AM) spies5Otto: if he's a spy though, seems pretty overpowered.
(8:54:40 AM) spies5Katie: he couldn't choose the same target the entire game
(8:54:44 AM) spies5Katie: twice in a row
(8:54:45 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(8:54:49 AM) spies5Katie: suddenly he can?
(8:55:44 AM) spies5Otto: I guess we just have to wait and see how long he can duplicate it
(8:55:58 AM) spies5Katie: calling it: he will not immune himself next episode
(8:56:00 AM) spies5Otto: if he can do it rest of the game, problem solved. If not, then we have to evaluate.
(8:56:07 AM) spies5Katie: yep
(8:57:28 AM) spies5Otto: so, did anyone strike you as knowing more about the medic situation than they should have?
(8:57:41 AM) spies5Katie: yep
(8:57:48 AM) spies5Katie: why do you think I suspect donnie
(8:57:51 AM) spies5Otto: :-)
(8:57:56 AM) spies5Otto: he's the only person
(8:58:03 AM) spies5Katie: besides you and darla
(8:58:05 AM) spies5Katie: and me
(8:58:14 AM) spies5Otto: everytime I mentioned Apollo being the medic, he would change the subject.
(8:58:30 AM) spies5Katie: he approached me about the whole medic thing, asking about it
(8:58:41 AM) spies5Katie: he was always suggesting it and telling me to keep me updated on it
(8:58:42 AM) spies5Katie: before I met the doc
(8:58:48 AM) spies5Katie: he figured out the whole confirmation thing
(8:58:58 AM) spies5Otto: yeah. I'm sure he figured out about Jillian too
(8:59:09 AM) spies5Katie: we don't need to post this either
(8:59:13 AM) spies5Katie: looks like he's going down
(8:59:23 AM) spies5Katie: we can confirm all this without giving away any info that the doc is dead
(8:59:28 AM) spies5Katie: of course
(8:59:41 AM) spies5Katie: if he doesn't flip spy we probably need to reevaluate ;_)
(8:59:47 AM) spies5Katie: but I am 100% on him being a spy
(8:59:56 AM) spies5Otto: I think he has to be a spy
(9:00:29 AM) spies5Otto: I think he's played fairly well, but I think he fits as a spy
(9:01:26 AM) spies5Otto: one other thing is that Xavier was always high on his suspect list, but recently I noticed that Xavier was someone he had marked as town. I need to check and see what his response was when I asked him about it.
(9:01:44 AM) spies5Katie: everyone suspected xavier though
(9:01:48 AM) spies5Katie: look at the fos list
(9:02:10 AM) spies5Katie: the whole apollo being the doc thing was supposed to set me and xavier as a little suspicious
(9:02:19 AM) spies5Katie: so that xavier wouldn't get imprisoned, and I would
(9:02:26 AM) spies5Katie: so that we would block a imprisonment
(9:02:28 AM) spies5Katie: that never happened
(9:02:54 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, nobody even really commented much on that.
(9:03:00 AM) spies5Katie: yep
(9:03:15 AM) spies5Katie: donnie was like the only one that didn't think xavier was suspicious
(9:04:46 AM) spies5Otto: I wish Darla hadn't posted about X having a role.
(9:05:12 AM) spies5Katie: same
(9:05:21 AM) spies5Katie: I think she did it thinking I Was going to suspect her
(9:05:48 AM) spies5Katie: I need to talk to her about it
(9:06:11 AM) spies5Otto: I hvae an idea, but it's kind of risky. We could play X off as being the courier.
(9:06:36 AM) spies5Katie: might want to talk to leticia about that
(9:06:41 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(9:08:11 AM) spies5Otto: I think you might want to do that. I'm like number 2 on Leticia's list. Somehow I doubt she wants to listen to me.
(9:10:42 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(9:10:44 AM) spies5Katie: ok
(9:15:46 AM) spies5Katie: going to do these inquisition questions now
(9:16:00 AM) spies5Otto: no one expects the Spanish Inquisition
(9:16:11 AM) spies5Otto: alright, I'm going back to studying.
(9:16:16 AM) spies5Otto: enjoy
(9:19:28 AM) spies5Katie: k
(9:19:29 AM) spies5Katie: later
(9:23:54 AM) spies5Katie: hey otto
(9:24:03 AM) spies5Katie: have you talked to donnie about the whole roles thing
(9:24:11 AM) spies5Katie: I'm going to ask him a question for the inquisition
(9:24:21 AM) spies5Katie: what do you think would be something he woudl try to keep hidden that we know about
(9:24:24 AM) spies5Katie: or you know about
(9:24:28 AM) spies5Katie: to see if he lies about it
(9:25:06 AM) spies5Otto: talked to donnie about what?
(9:25:36 AM) spies5Katie: like xavier's role, or me
(9:25:40 AM) spies5Katie: like my confirmation
(9:25:50 AM) spies5Katie: or een about thinking xavier was a cit
(9:26:03 AM) spies5Otto: let me find the xavier thing
(9:26:05 AM) spies5Katie: k
(9:26:44 AM) spies5Otto: The only person i ever talked to about your confirmation was Jillian/xavier. I never talked to anyone about the medic still being alive after the APollo thing.
(9:27:00 AM) spies5Katie: what about xavier being a cit
(9:27:03 AM) spies5Katie: did you ever talk to him about it
(9:27:08 AM) spies5Katie: or did he talk to you about it
(9:28:01 AM) spies5Otto: I remember him listed Xavier as cit recently
(9:28:07 AM) spies5Otto: which was a complete change from before
(9:28:12 AM) spies5Otto: I'll try to find it
(9:28:27 AM) spies5Katie: if you do let me know and I'll ask him about it in inquisition
(9:30:55 AM) spies5Katie: xavier has been listing donnie as not a spy
(9:31:01 AM) spies5Katie: look at xavier's fos
(9:31:03 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, I saw that
(9:31:09 AM) spies5Katie: maybe that has something to do with it
(9:31:12 AM) spies5Katie: omgus?
(9:31:15 AM) spies5Katie: reverse omgus haha
(9:31:22 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, i think that's part of it
(9:33:19 AM) spies5Otto: spies5Donnie (5:34:22 PM):delilah and xavier i still see as pretty cit spies5Otto (5:34:34 PM):what changed on Xavier? spies5Donnie (5:34:37 PM):both are 50/50 for me, but i have more confidence about a few others spies5Otto (5:34:38 PM):if I may ask spies5Donnie (5:35:05 PM):well, ive been talking to him a lot recently, maybe its partially due to similar suspicions of me spies5Otto (5:35:22 PM):he's had similar suspicions as me too... spies5Donnie (5:35:43 PM):but, im starting to get a feeling that he is a cit just from the way he talks spies5Donnie (5:36:07 PM):while its not damning evidence that he is a cit, its something to consider when the vote gets this important spies5Donnie (5:36:21 PM):although between him and delilah, i would probally vote xavier spies5Donnie (5:36:35 PM):not by a whole lot, but I probally would vote him
(9:33:52 AM) spies5Otto: so yeah, his explanation is similar suspicions as Donnie, and feels cit in conversations.
(9:34:19 AM) spies5Katie: ok
(9:34:33 AM) spies5Otto: what kind of a question are you going to ask him?
(9:35:06 AM) spies5Katie: something like "You suspected Xavier before, but suddenly changed your opinion of him to cit...why?"
(9:35:18 AM) spies5Katie: did he ever suspect xavier
(9:35:26 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, Xavier was always one of his top suspects
(9:35:37 AM) spies5Katie: yea going to ask him that
(9:35:47 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, sounds like a good question.
(9:36:52 AM) spies5Otto: what happened last exile, the lack of vote?
(9:36:58 AM) spies5Katie: I forgot
(9:37:01 AM) spies5Katie:
(9:37:03 AM) spies5Otto: heh
(9:37:06 AM) spies5Katie: I went on a date
(9:37:12 AM) spies5Katie: and meant to post the vote of finn before I left
(9:37:18 AM) spies5Katie: but yeah forgot
(9:37:21 AM) spies5Katie: and got back too late
(9:37:33 AM) spies5Katie: sam was pissed
(9:37:49 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, he seemed displeased.
(9:37:55 AM) spies5Otto: 3 people didn't vote though
(9:37:58 AM) spies5Katie: I haven't read the transcript
(9:51:59 AM) spies5Katie: post up
(9:52:28 AM) spies5Otto: alright
(9:57:05 AM) spies5Katie: I love how everyone's like "katie and leticia if you two are spies you won"
(9:57:31 AM) spies5Otto: haha, yeah
(9:58:38 AM) spies5Otto: you two and Darla are players that will very likely not be ever exiled
(9:58:56 AM) spies5Katie: I'm convinced finn and donnie are spies
(9:58:59 AM) spies5Katie: oh and angus
(9:59:07 AM) spies5Katie: nothing else really makes sense
(9:59:11 AM) spies5Katie: except maybe delilah
(9:59:17 AM) spies5Katie: but angus donnie finn makes a lot of sense
(9:59:31 AM) spies5Otto: I meant to ask Angus why he stopped pressing Donnie after episode 1
(9:59:39 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(9:59:39 AM) spies5Otto: I'll just ask him when I respond to your question
(9:59:45 AM) spies5Katie: I totally forgot about that
(9:59:58 AM) spies5Otto: I think Delilah is a spy.
(10:00:13 AM) spies5Otto: probably not if Angus is a spy
(10:00:21 AM) spies5Otto: but if Angus is a cit, then I think she is
(10:00:31 AM) spies5Katie: I agree but I think angus is almost definitely a spy
(10:00:35 AM) spies5Katie:
(10:01:14 AM) spies5Otto: I'm not sure, but I'm content to wait and see. Although this seems a lot like deja vu from the Beatrix situation, and in that case, you'd probably be right :-)
(10:02:12 AM) spies5Katie: I'm just really good at finding holes in roles
(10:02:27 AM) spies5Katie: other than that I usually suck at mafia
(10:03:12 AM) spies5Otto: I'm good at the logical deduction part, but not so much at the figuring out who's town/scum based on their tone, etc.
(10:04:51 AM) spies5Otto: You guys are making inferences I have not given you. I do not see the word infinite anywhere in my statements.
(10:04:58 AM) spies5Otto: looks like you're right :-)
(10:07:30 AM) spies5Katie: as I said
(10:07:34 AM) spies5Katie: play aloing with him
(10:07:39 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(10:07:40 AM) spies5Katie: let him imprison someone lese
(8:26:29 AM) spies5Otto: but, what's up?
(8:26:33 AM) spies5Katie: hey
(8:26:33 AM) spies5Otto <AUTO-REPLY> : Exams...almost...done
(8:26:40 AM) spies5Katie: I'm looking at the inquisition
(8:26:56 AM) spies5Katie: I have alot of questions to answer
(8:27:03 AM) spies5Otto: haha
(8:27:52 AM) spies5Katie: what do you think about donnie right now
(8:28:12 AM) spies5Otto: well, right now he's my top spy suspect
(8:28:18 AM) spies5Katie: I agree
(8:28:34 AM) spies5Katie: I'm almost certainly voting him
(8:28:40 AM) spies5Otto: I think he has to be a spy in any scenario that seems logical
(8:29:02 AM) spies5Otto: I mean, maybe you Darla Leticia are the final 3 spies, but we're screwed beyond belief in that situation, so I'm not going to even bother worrying about it
(8:29:08 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(8:29:18 AM) spies5Katie: what do you think about xavier being imprisoned over leticia
(8:29:58 AM) spies5Otto: well, I thought it was really surprising.
(8:30:04 AM) spies5Otto: although, now I'm not so sure
(8:30:14 AM) spies5Otto: what's the deal, was X the medic?
(8:30:46 AM) spies5Katie: no, the doc is still in the game
(8:31:29 AM) spies5Katie: darla spilled the beans on him having a role though
(8:31:50 AM) spies5Katie: why did you think he was the doc?
(8:32:45 AM) spies5Otto: based on my conversation with Darla. I didn't think he was the doc until then.
(8:32:53 AM) spies5Katie: when was that
(8:33:14 AM) spies5Otto: I've gotta say, this whole thing is a mess, and I have absolutely no clue wtf is going on.
(8:33:24 AM) spies5Katie: I'm at a loss too right now
(8:33:32 AM) spies5Katie: and trying to figure out what's the best thing to do
(8:33:39 AM) spies5Katie: should I reveal what Xavier was
(8:33:43 AM) spies5Katie: should I keep it secret
(8:33:48 AM) spies5Otto: Darla confronted me the other day, asked me about the medic. I told her that I hooked you up with the medic via xavier, she told me I was lying to her.
(8:34:01 AM) spies5Katie: no that's true
(8:34:06 AM) spies5Katie: we have chatlogs
(8:34:20 AM) spies5Otto: then last night, she said something about her figuring out xavier was the medic
(8:34:38 AM) spies5Katie: yeah I read that
(8:34:41 AM) spies5Katie: curious what the clue was
(8:34:50 AM) spies5Katie: er
(8:34:52 AM) spies5Katie: for the role
(8:35:01 AM) spies5Otto: ?
(8:35:02 AM) spies5Katie: did darla tell you he was the medic?
(8:35:06 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(8:35:11 AM) spies5Katie: sigh
(8:35:27 AM) spies5Otto: well, she accused me of knowing he was the medic.
(8:35:40 AM) spies5Katie: xavier couldn't protect himself, even with my role. Sam made that clear when we first hooked up
(8:36:00 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, I figured that was true, even when you posted it about Apollo.
(8:36:26 AM) spies5Katie: otto, did you ever speculate with anyone about xavier being the medic
(8:36:33 AM) spies5Otto: no
(8:36:40 AM) spies5Katie: ok
(8:36:54 AM) spies5Otto: I figured there was no way he could be the medic, based on the chats he showed me.
(8:37:00 AM) spies5Katie: we faked em
(8:37:04 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, those were nice.
(8:37:07 AM) spies5Katie: thank ya
(8:37:08 AM) spies5Otto: :-)
(8:37:15 AM) spies5Katie: I can give you entire chatlogs where me and him talked
(8:37:18 AM) spies5Katie: to prove he was the medic
(8:37:32 AM) spies5Katie: and the whole faking of apollo thing
(8:38:24 AM) spies5Otto: alright, cool. The reason I asked you for those is because I was getting suspicious. Everyone who I thought could possibly be the medic was dead. I asked Xavier for a chat where you two were discussing faking it, and he said he'd have to edit it and it might take him a day or more.
(8:38:41 AM) spies5Otto: which made me even more suspicious :-)
(8:39:09 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(8:39:17 AM) spies5Otto: it makes some sense now
(8:39:29 AM) spies5Katie: the chat where we discussed faking it also had other stuff in it
(8:39:37 AM) spies5Katie: because we talked about what to include about his role
(8:39:54 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, it all clicked for me after Darla confronted me about it.
(8:40:36 AM) spies5Katie: the spies knew who he was before I ever even talked to you
(8:40:44 AM) spies5Katie: maggie being imprisoned proved that
(8:41:00 AM) spies5Katie: xavier being imprisoned over leticia shows that the spies knew who he was
(8:41:09 AM) spies5Katie: they knew before I talked to anyone
(8:41:35 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, they knew. They weren't imprisoning who they should have been. They were imprisoning people who wouldn't be doc protected. Who would have known?
(8:41:59 AM) spies5Katie: only way they could've known is if they didn't believe apollo was the doc
(8:42:02 AM) spies5Katie: and then guessed it
(8:42:07 AM) spies5Otto: did Xavier ever claim to anyone else like he did to me?
(8:42:08 AM) spies5Katie: or maybe xavier fucked up
(8:42:15 AM) spies5Katie: he told me he didn't
(8:42:19 AM) spies5Katie: he might've though
(8:43:02 AM) spies5Otto: I don't think Angus knew.
(8:43:11 AM) spies5Katie: angus also played dumb about my role too
(8:44:08 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(8:44:14 AM) spies5Katie: I don't know anymore
(8:44:22 AM) spies5Katie: I can't decide if I shoudl tell the burg or not
(8:44:22 AM) spies5Otto: he's protected himself twice in a row now though
(8:44:26 AM) spies5Katie: or pretend the doc is still alive
(8:44:49 AM) spies5Otto: I think you should pretend. Our best bet is for the spies to continue to doc hunt.
(8:45:02 AM) spies5Katie: if leticia or me goes next
(8:45:04 AM) spies5Katie: then they know
(8:45:05 AM) spies5Otto: yep
(8:45:14 AM) spies5Otto: maybe they'll hit finn.
(8:45:17 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(8:45:24 AM) spies5Katie: you know what I think about that
(8:45:34 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, maybe they CAN'T hit finn :-)
(8:45:48 AM) spies5Otto: Angus protected himself twice now
(8:45:54 AM) spies5Otto: he can't be a spy if that's true.
(8:48:10 AM) spies5Katie: let me ask you this
(8:48:14 AM) spies5Katie: "role upgrade"
(8:48:49 AM) spies5Otto: yeah. The problem is that if he can protect himself from exile indefinitely.
(8:49:07 AM) spies5Katie: are you sure?
(8:49:12 AM) spies5Otto: If he can immune himself every single exile for the rest of the game, he can't be a spy
(8:49:15 AM) spies5Otto: no, I dont know.
(8:49:25 AM) spies5Katie: if he can exile immune himself for the rest of the game
(8:49:27 AM) spies5Katie: this is a moot point
(8:49:33 AM) spies5Otto: true
(8:49:41 AM) spies5Katie: so there's no reason to even think he's a spy
(8:49:48 AM) spies5Otto: I think Angus should do that if he can.
(8:49:49 AM) spies5Katie: and the spies will get rid of him when they want
(8:49:54 AM) spies5Katie: I don't think he can
(8:50:19 AM) spies5Katie: 20 bucks says he can't immune himself next exile, and he will do it "because he wants to make sure a cit doesn't get exiled"
(8:50:21 AM) spies5Katie: 20 bucks
(8:50:33 AM) spies5Otto: haha
(8:50:38 AM) spies5Katie: just keep it between me and you though
(8:50:50 AM) spies5Katie: no reason to make him think we don't think he's a cit
(8:50:57 AM) spies5Katie: especially if he is a spy
(8:51:07 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, lull him into overconfidence :-)
(8:51:11 AM) spies5Katie:
(8:51:28 AM) spies5Otto: although, I think he probably is a cit at this point. Not guaranteed or anything.
(8:51:29 AM) spies5Katie: fucking guarantee he can't exile immune himself next episode
(8:51:37 AM) spies5Katie:
(8:52:07 AM) spies5Otto: I swear I remember him saying he couldn't choose himself, but this was early on in the game.
(8:52:07 AM) spies5Katie: thing is
(8:52:13 AM) spies5Otto: I can't find anything though
(8:52:14 AM) spies5Katie: why wouldn't he exile immune himself during the shootout
(8:52:16 AM) spies5Katie: or before that
(8:52:25 AM) spies5Katie: there were two exiles where his name came up alot
(8:52:35 AM) spies5Katie: or hell even episode 8
(8:52:38 AM) spies5Katie: remember that?
(8:52:42 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(8:52:44 AM) spies5Katie: everyone was waiting on the carly flip
(8:52:48 AM) spies5Katie: to get angus
(8:52:52 AM) spies5Katie: he knew it was coming
(8:53:15 AM) spies5Katie: why didn't he exile immune himself there
(8:53:21 AM) spies5Otto: who did he choose?
(8:53:24 AM) spies5Otto: Cookie
(8:53:26 AM) spies5Katie: cookie
(8:53:27 AM) spies5Otto: that's right
(8:53:41 AM) spies5Katie: we got beatrix instead
(8:53:53 AM) spies5Katie: and then I got him exile immune, and he chose me
(8:53:59 AM) spies5Katie: then he exile immuned himself twice now
(8:54:04 AM) spies5Katie: first of all
(8:54:08 AM) spies5Katie: the doc couldn't protect himself
(8:54:09 AM) spies5Katie: at all
(8:54:12 AM) spies5Katie: even with me
(8:54:16 AM) spies5Katie: why is angus allowed to
(8:54:25 AM) spies5Otto: yeah.
(8:54:37 AM) spies5Otto: if he's a spy though, seems pretty overpowered.
(8:54:40 AM) spies5Katie: he couldn't choose the same target the entire game
(8:54:44 AM) spies5Katie: twice in a row
(8:54:45 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(8:54:49 AM) spies5Katie: suddenly he can?
(8:55:44 AM) spies5Otto: I guess we just have to wait and see how long he can duplicate it
(8:55:58 AM) spies5Katie: calling it: he will not immune himself next episode
(8:56:00 AM) spies5Otto: if he can do it rest of the game, problem solved. If not, then we have to evaluate.
(8:56:07 AM) spies5Katie: yep
(8:57:28 AM) spies5Otto: so, did anyone strike you as knowing more about the medic situation than they should have?
(8:57:41 AM) spies5Katie: yep
(8:57:48 AM) spies5Katie: why do you think I suspect donnie
(8:57:51 AM) spies5Otto: :-)
(8:57:56 AM) spies5Otto: he's the only person
(8:58:03 AM) spies5Katie: besides you and darla
(8:58:05 AM) spies5Katie: and me
(8:58:14 AM) spies5Otto: everytime I mentioned Apollo being the medic, he would change the subject.
(8:58:30 AM) spies5Katie: he approached me about the whole medic thing, asking about it
(8:58:41 AM) spies5Katie: he was always suggesting it and telling me to keep me updated on it
(8:58:42 AM) spies5Katie: before I met the doc
(8:58:48 AM) spies5Katie: he figured out the whole confirmation thing
(8:58:58 AM) spies5Otto: yeah. I'm sure he figured out about Jillian too
(8:59:09 AM) spies5Katie: we don't need to post this either
(8:59:13 AM) spies5Katie: looks like he's going down
(8:59:23 AM) spies5Katie: we can confirm all this without giving away any info that the doc is dead
(8:59:28 AM) spies5Katie: of course
(8:59:41 AM) spies5Katie: if he doesn't flip spy we probably need to reevaluate ;_)
(8:59:47 AM) spies5Katie: but I am 100% on him being a spy
(8:59:56 AM) spies5Otto: I think he has to be a spy
(9:00:29 AM) spies5Otto: I think he's played fairly well, but I think he fits as a spy
(9:01:26 AM) spies5Otto: one other thing is that Xavier was always high on his suspect list, but recently I noticed that Xavier was someone he had marked as town. I need to check and see what his response was when I asked him about it.
(9:01:44 AM) spies5Katie: everyone suspected xavier though
(9:01:48 AM) spies5Katie: look at the fos list
(9:02:10 AM) spies5Katie: the whole apollo being the doc thing was supposed to set me and xavier as a little suspicious
(9:02:19 AM) spies5Katie: so that xavier wouldn't get imprisoned, and I would
(9:02:26 AM) spies5Katie: so that we would block a imprisonment
(9:02:28 AM) spies5Katie: that never happened
(9:02:54 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, nobody even really commented much on that.
(9:03:00 AM) spies5Katie: yep
(9:03:15 AM) spies5Katie: donnie was like the only one that didn't think xavier was suspicious
(9:04:46 AM) spies5Otto: I wish Darla hadn't posted about X having a role.
(9:05:12 AM) spies5Katie: same
(9:05:21 AM) spies5Katie: I think she did it thinking I Was going to suspect her
(9:05:48 AM) spies5Katie: I need to talk to her about it
(9:06:11 AM) spies5Otto: I hvae an idea, but it's kind of risky. We could play X off as being the courier.
(9:06:36 AM) spies5Katie: might want to talk to leticia about that
(9:06:41 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(9:08:11 AM) spies5Otto: I think you might want to do that. I'm like number 2 on Leticia's list. Somehow I doubt she wants to listen to me.
(9:10:42 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(9:10:44 AM) spies5Katie: ok
(9:15:46 AM) spies5Katie: going to do these inquisition questions now
(9:16:00 AM) spies5Otto: no one expects the Spanish Inquisition
(9:16:11 AM) spies5Otto: alright, I'm going back to studying.
(9:16:16 AM) spies5Otto: enjoy
(9:19:28 AM) spies5Katie: k
(9:19:29 AM) spies5Katie: later
(9:23:54 AM) spies5Katie: hey otto
(9:24:03 AM) spies5Katie: have you talked to donnie about the whole roles thing
(9:24:11 AM) spies5Katie: I'm going to ask him a question for the inquisition
(9:24:21 AM) spies5Katie: what do you think would be something he woudl try to keep hidden that we know about
(9:24:24 AM) spies5Katie: or you know about
(9:24:28 AM) spies5Katie: to see if he lies about it
(9:25:06 AM) spies5Otto: talked to donnie about what?
(9:25:36 AM) spies5Katie: like xavier's role, or me
(9:25:40 AM) spies5Katie: like my confirmation
(9:25:50 AM) spies5Katie: or een about thinking xavier was a cit
(9:26:03 AM) spies5Otto: let me find the xavier thing
(9:26:05 AM) spies5Katie: k
(9:26:44 AM) spies5Otto: The only person i ever talked to about your confirmation was Jillian/xavier. I never talked to anyone about the medic still being alive after the APollo thing.
(9:27:00 AM) spies5Katie: what about xavier being a cit
(9:27:03 AM) spies5Katie: did you ever talk to him about it
(9:27:08 AM) spies5Katie: or did he talk to you about it
(9:28:01 AM) spies5Otto: I remember him listed Xavier as cit recently
(9:28:07 AM) spies5Otto: which was a complete change from before
(9:28:12 AM) spies5Otto: I'll try to find it
(9:28:27 AM) spies5Katie: if you do let me know and I'll ask him about it in inquisition
(9:30:55 AM) spies5Katie: xavier has been listing donnie as not a spy
(9:31:01 AM) spies5Katie: look at xavier's fos
(9:31:03 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, I saw that
(9:31:09 AM) spies5Katie: maybe that has something to do with it
(9:31:12 AM) spies5Katie: omgus?
(9:31:15 AM) spies5Katie: reverse omgus haha
(9:31:22 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, i think that's part of it
(9:33:19 AM) spies5Otto: spies5Donnie (5:34:22 PM):delilah and xavier i still see as pretty cit spies5Otto (5:34:34 PM):what changed on Xavier? spies5Donnie (5:34:37 PM):both are 50/50 for me, but i have more confidence about a few others spies5Otto (5:34:38 PM):if I may ask spies5Donnie (5:35:05 PM):well, ive been talking to him a lot recently, maybe its partially due to similar suspicions of me spies5Otto (5:35:22 PM):he's had similar suspicions as me too... spies5Donnie (5:35:43 PM):but, im starting to get a feeling that he is a cit just from the way he talks spies5Donnie (5:36:07 PM):while its not damning evidence that he is a cit, its something to consider when the vote gets this important spies5Donnie (5:36:21 PM):although between him and delilah, i would probally vote xavier spies5Donnie (5:36:35 PM):not by a whole lot, but I probally would vote him
(9:33:52 AM) spies5Otto: so yeah, his explanation is similar suspicions as Donnie, and feels cit in conversations.
(9:34:19 AM) spies5Katie: ok
(9:34:33 AM) spies5Otto: what kind of a question are you going to ask him?
(9:35:06 AM) spies5Katie: something like "You suspected Xavier before, but suddenly changed your opinion of him to cit...why?"
(9:35:18 AM) spies5Katie: did he ever suspect xavier
(9:35:26 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, Xavier was always one of his top suspects
(9:35:37 AM) spies5Katie: yea going to ask him that
(9:35:47 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, sounds like a good question.
(9:36:52 AM) spies5Otto: what happened last exile, the lack of vote?
(9:36:58 AM) spies5Katie: I forgot
(9:37:01 AM) spies5Katie:
(9:37:03 AM) spies5Otto: heh
(9:37:06 AM) spies5Katie: I went on a date
(9:37:12 AM) spies5Katie: and meant to post the vote of finn before I left
(9:37:18 AM) spies5Katie: but yeah forgot
(9:37:21 AM) spies5Katie: and got back too late
(9:37:33 AM) spies5Katie: sam was pissed
(9:37:49 AM) spies5Otto: yeah, he seemed displeased.
(9:37:55 AM) spies5Otto: 3 people didn't vote though
(9:37:58 AM) spies5Katie: I haven't read the transcript
(9:51:59 AM) spies5Katie: post up
(9:52:28 AM) spies5Otto: alright
(9:57:05 AM) spies5Katie: I love how everyone's like "katie and leticia if you two are spies you won"
(9:57:31 AM) spies5Otto: haha, yeah
(9:58:38 AM) spies5Otto: you two and Darla are players that will very likely not be ever exiled
(9:58:56 AM) spies5Katie: I'm convinced finn and donnie are spies
(9:58:59 AM) spies5Katie: oh and angus
(9:59:07 AM) spies5Katie: nothing else really makes sense
(9:59:11 AM) spies5Katie: except maybe delilah
(9:59:17 AM) spies5Katie: but angus donnie finn makes a lot of sense
(9:59:31 AM) spies5Otto: I meant to ask Angus why he stopped pressing Donnie after episode 1
(9:59:39 AM) spies5Katie: haha
(9:59:39 AM) spies5Otto: I'll just ask him when I respond to your question
(9:59:45 AM) spies5Katie: I totally forgot about that
(9:59:58 AM) spies5Otto: I think Delilah is a spy.
(10:00:13 AM) spies5Otto: probably not if Angus is a spy
(10:00:21 AM) spies5Otto: but if Angus is a cit, then I think she is
(10:00:31 AM) spies5Katie: I agree but I think angus is almost definitely a spy
(10:00:35 AM) spies5Katie:
(10:01:14 AM) spies5Otto: I'm not sure, but I'm content to wait and see. Although this seems a lot like deja vu from the Beatrix situation, and in that case, you'd probably be right :-)
(10:02:12 AM) spies5Katie: I'm just really good at finding holes in roles
(10:02:27 AM) spies5Katie: other than that I usually suck at mafia
(10:03:12 AM) spies5Otto: I'm good at the logical deduction part, but not so much at the figuring out who's town/scum based on their tone, etc.
(10:04:51 AM) spies5Otto: You guys are making inferences I have not given you. I do not see the word infinite anywhere in my statements.
(10:04:58 AM) spies5Otto: looks like you're right :-)
(10:07:30 AM) spies5Katie: as I said
(10:07:34 AM) spies5Katie: play aloing with him
(10:07:39 AM) spies5Otto: yeah
(10:07:40 AM) spies5Katie: let him imprison someone lese